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I'm looking to buy a 7-seater people carrier in the near future and I need some help from you guys to choose. It will be second-hand and I'm looking for something decent under 8.500 Euros (cheaper is always better). The sh market is full of such things so the only problem is choosing. I'm looking for something cheap, practical (if the rear seats fold flat it's perfect), economical and not offensive for the eye - a good car to put it this way. Remember I'll have to please 2 people: me, and my dad. We've been having quite an argument as I preffer the Renault Espace and he likes the Opel Zafira (he says it looks like a car). Some arguments for your suggestion would also be welcome .

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buy a wagon version of your car and glue some seats in the back

but in seriousness, has he or you looked at wagons as an alternative?

7-seater wagons = no leg/head room in the third seat row.

The Espace rear seats do not fold flat. The only cars that do it are the Opel Zafira, VW Touran, Renault Grand Scénic, Citroen C4 Grand Picasso, Toyota Corolla Verso - thought this one's third row seat is to small even for kids - Ford S-Max, Mazda 5, Mitsubishi Grandis, Nissan Qashqai+2 and the newest Peugeot 5008.

You have also the FIAT Multipla, it lacks one seat, thought its got 6 seats and an enormous boot.

Most if not all european 7 seater monovolumes make me wanna stab my eyes out when I see them, specialy the older sharan/galaxy/whatever-the-seat-version-was-called stuff.
I think the probem with that is that they all still look like a van with windows, comfort like a car, an attempt at styling like a car, handling resembling what could be describe as a car but still the bulk and general shape of a van.

so if you need that much seating space why not just by a proper van? something like this for example: A previous genereration VW carravelle

That will last forever, huge amounts of space. get a fully loaded version and you will have all the comfort you will ever need. sure youl find em in your pricerange and it actualy doesnt look bad because it looks like. you know, 'a van'. instead of the bastard child of a sedan and a van like all the other dreary nonesence does.

7-seater wagons = no leg/head room in the third seat row.

The Espace rear seats do not fold flat. The only cars that do it are the Opel Zafira, VW Touran, Renault Grand Scénic, Citroen C4 Grand Picasso, Toyota Corolla Verso - thought this one's third row seat is to small even for kids - Ford S-Max, Mazda 5, Mitsubishi Grandis, Nissan Qashqai+2 and the newest Peugeot 5008.

You have also the FIAT Multipla, it lacks one seat, thought its got 6 seats and an enormous boot.

I would love to get an S-max but it's not really in the price range. Thanks for the heads up on the Verso and yes, I do need 7 seats so that's the Fiat out. The car will be mainly used to haul kids around altough adults could occasionally sit in the back.

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Yes, because it's a Renault. The Touran is built to last at least to 200k miles.

Granted, I can't tell anything about how good the Scénic is in that aspect. But while VW has a history of cars lasting forever, that doesn't hold so much anymore for their current models. Especially not for the TDI engines, from what I hear. Well, that holds for virtually all turbo-diesel direct injectors nowadays, because people don't treat them properly.

I've driven the Scénic and it handles surprisingly good for an MPV and for a Renault. The steering wheel is too flat for my taste, that's all. Perhaps the Touran is better, I can't compare as I've never driven one.

I don't want to push ALXBWSCREW towards buying a Scénic, but I seriously think he should at least consider it as an alternative.

Seriously though, unlike an S-Max, I feel like I'm in control of a big van when I'm driving the Touran. The VW is very practical I must confess, which is why it's so popular. I just think it's dull, I don't like the driving position, and nor do I like the interior.

I suspect there's a reason for this. In my head there are 'smaller 7 seaters' and 'bigger 7 seaters'. The S-max is a smaller one, as is the Verso and the Zafira. Bigger ones include the Pug 807, the Seat Alhambra, and the Renault Espace.

Yes, because it's a Renault. The Touran is built to last at least to 200k miles.

The major thing going for the Touran is handling, while it's not an Exige it does keep the body roll under control and grip well. no wallowing MPV handling.

If you're curious about the Touran, don't forget the Sharan, which is bigger. It shares its platform with the Ford Galaxy and Seat Alhambra (cheaper than the Sharan).

We had an Alhambra for 6 years, and the only mechanical / build control problems we had were of our own making (read. I drove through a huge puddle and flooded the engine, and this one time a double bass in the back swung around when I was driving too fast and smashed the rear window).

I love the Alhambra to bits. It drives well for a 7 seater. The downsides are that the seats don't fold flat, but instead are removed from the car. And the seats are relatively heavy - it's certainly a two hand job to lug them out of the car.

The replacement for the Alhambra, by the way, was a Peugeot 807 (which shares all its bits with the Fiat Ulysse and the Citroen C8). Its main advantage over the 'ham is the rear electric sliding doors, which are a boon, as well as a dash-mounted gearshift, leaving more room in between the front chairs. It doesn't drive as well, and (though I've no proof, only having had the car 18 months) the build quality feels a bit floppier.

Grand Scénic. Or if you're feeling adventerous you can get a Chrysler Grand Voyager (with a CRDI-engine).

Please don't; as the Grand Voyager is a horrible, horrible thing. We test-drove it and could feel the trim rattling (on a dealer demonstrator!). Added to that was the steering wheel, which as far as I could tell had no connection to the front wheels, and the gutless engine.

Sidenote - of all the cars we testdrove 18 months back looking for a favourite, the Citroen C4 Grand Picasso was by far my favourite. You'd never guess it was a 7 seater when driving it, and it looked good from outside. The seats fold flat, too. I'd recommend test driving it, if nothing else. I would have bought it, if the choice had been mine.